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A Consistent
Rationality in Religion

(Exploring The Genesis
Perspective on Origins)

God... are you really out there?

  Taking A Walk Within Genesis

    The Scene - Genesis, Chapter 1:

  The scene we approach is an already created world.  It is a fully functioning system (untold numbers of systems within systems within a universal system).

    When we arrive as imaginary spectators to this historical scene, we find two adult human beings standing in an incredibly beautiful garden paradise.  God has finished His creating work.

  (At this point, we will position God having left earth and gone to His Home - outside space and time - Thus, God is inaccessible to the intruding scientists - as He is not accessible to the methodology in science today.

    Two 21st Century scientists, who accept evolution ideas, fall into the first week of Time and wake up to look around, startled by the extraordinary beauty and wealth of living things all around them.

  Everything is bigger and more abundant than they had ever seen or imagined.  They look up at the 10 foot tall human beings and stare, stunned at their beauty and strength.

   "She looks no more than 17 years old" said one evolutionist.  "I doubt that, she must be at least 25 years old," said the other.   Startled by the conversation coming from under the dense shrubbery, Adam separated the thick growth that were shielding the two intruders.

   The first scientist asked Eve, "How,  huh...old are you, anyway?"

   Eve threw back her lush tresses and laughed, "I'm 1 day and an hour old.  Everything you see came into being this week."

   The two evolutionists were speechless!  Thinking about this information for a few seconds, they stood up, looked around again and the scientist near Eve, said, "That's impossible! You are not an infant, you are a full-grown woman! The other concluded, "This place must be billions of years old.  It is filled with complexity and organization and rivers and animals of all kinds."

   Adam, shook his head and smiled, "No, God made everything you see, this week.  We asked Him why He took so long. He said He did that for us [Exodus 23:12]. You are welcome to wait and ask God, He'll be back! He is resting today"

   The two scientists looked intently at Eve, "If you are a day and an hour old, how do you know that all of this came into being within 6 days? Eve looked carefully at each scientist, and replied, "God told us."

   It is Impossible To Use Any Modern Scientific Methodology Within A Fully-Functioning Universe And Obtain Reliable Results Regarding The Time of Its Origins.

   There is no modern scientific method through which Adam and Eve's world could have been reliably examined by 21st Century scientific methodology looking for its age (or the ages of Adam and Eve).

   When encountering an up and running, fully functioning universe, there is no empirical method of examination that will provide accurate information regarding ages.  The tree rings are formed in mature trees.  The human inhabitants are adults.  The animals and fish are mature.  The rivers are flowing and in place at the level God placed them.

   It doesn't help the inherent limitations of science research to claim that this is mere "belief" (as though because it is grounded in history it is without evidence) as something not provable by science.  Science is not equal to God.

   Historical witness that is rational and consistent within its context, reasonably invites a closer intellectual examination of its claims.

   In science, speculation without empirical evidence to support what is being stated, must - because of the definition of science - remain an idea, outside of the jurisdiction of science.

   The historical information within the Bible is stated to be eye-witness evidence.  The God of the Bible claims to have always existed (that He stands outside Time and Space).   He further claims that He is the Designer and Creator that made the decision to act within Time and Space.

   This historical witness regarding Origins, begins within a rational premise.  It does not begin with the world sitting on top of a turtle.  It doesn't begin with non-intelligence.

   It tells the account of creation as being a result of the free-will choice and power of God.

   This historical witness (the referenced biblical documents) provides an Origins account which results in a fully-functioning universe designed and formed through intelligent design, created by the Intelligent Designer (Who is Greater in power than that which He has Created).

   There is nothing within this historical account of the creation event
and the forthcoming moral fall of Mankind, it describes, that is incompatible with the world we have been born into.

   It is factually inescapable that modern science is inherently limited in ability to know anything about origins or to be able to find through scientific methods the AGE of the universe or the earth's AGE.

    Historically, the biblical account of the creation of the world, provides enough rational information that allows a search for the personal God behind the content, to begin.

  The idea that emerges from the belief system of scientists who accept an evolution idea that God was not there at the moment of all beginnings is an intellectually weak and not provable postulate (Postulate, is defined as, to demand, claim, require).  


   What about the half-life process in radioactive material?  Doesn't that scientifically prove long ages and support evolutionary ideas regarding origins?

   Half-life: The period required for the disintegration of half of the atoms in a sample of some specific radioactive substance.

   A Keep-In-Mind Situation:
Science is limited to the examination of functioning processes that are now taking place.

   Every scientist approaches the "half-life" process within radioactive material without knowing at what moment it began the half-life function. Scientists are observing what is taking place only at this point in Time.

   What is without debate and what can be stated (about the half-life function within radioactive material) is that the functioning of half-life within this material is taking place today.

   Another way of stating the situation is that the beginning moment of the half-life process is inaccessible to the methodology of science.  The actual moment the half-life process began cannot be found through any method within science.

   Within the historical context of revealed information, the Time the half-life process began functioning (most likely time) would have been when God cursed the world (initiating death and decay on all things). This event took place when Man made a choice against God as rightful Lawgiver.

   The Moment in real Time when this half-life process began is outside the ability of scientists to find by using the tools available to them.

   It would be reasonable for Time to lose its stability at the moment of God's curse on His creation, and that, which had been made to last as long as TIME expressed "stability," began to lose its time constant.

   A person, who stands locked within his/her mortality (his human-ness), thinking about the half-life process within radioactive material is forced to become frivolous (attempting to function within the Personhood of God) in an attempt to point out the possible scene at that moment:

  "If you were God and were forced to curse the world you had designed as a creation that would last as long as TIME continued within a maintained state of Time - what would be the basis for your choices regarding the period of half-life in each specific radioactive material within a once formed time-constant structure,-- now to be under judgment of death and decay?"

   Man is not God.

  Within rational consistency, this examination of the Origins Debate, leads to a specific legitimate response to an evolution perspective of origins - from within science and religion, is clearly that there is no rational, scientific or historical reason to question any portion of the creation account in Genesis or to question any reference to world-wide events as described in the rest of the early documents.

   People who find the historical evidence for God overwhelming have a rationally consistent basis to refuse to intellectually cower before a non-rational idea of origins claimed by some scientists who work within a limited, imprisoned in the here-and-now, methodology (for seeking out factual information about the world they live in).

   The paragraph above may sound like a summary, but there is more historically interesting information to consider (below).

   Appreciating The Perfect Logic Within The Historical Documents

   The referenced documents under question are logical within context and do not present the illogic of modern (or past) evolutionary scientists.

   Let's consider for instance,the writer of Hebrews (New Testament document), who understood the limitations of his human-ness. The author of Hebrews, understood that the person who sought out origins information is imprisoned within his/her mortality.  His rationality is impeccable (without error).

   The New Testament document, Hebrews 11:3, carries none of the false ideas within evolutionary science (such as, the false idea that Man would or could have the ability to understand origins processes or events).

   The writer of Hebrews denies this possibility: He writes, "By faith [a reasoned out "belief" for why we see what we see] we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible."  Hebrews 11:3

   2000 years ago, this writer correctly understood that all things are made out of things which are not visible to the human eye.

   Science with its methods through which it can now  see  the not, visible, couldn't express the reality of (or importance of) the resident design of our gene structure - DNA - any better.

   The author of the book of Hebrews rightly understood that it was rational to understand the limitations of his own (and our) humanity.

   This flawless logic continues in Romans 1:19, where it is stated that to deny an intelligent First Cause is irrational (although, he does not end his argument here):

   Romans 1:20 - 22 "...because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 

   For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened.  Professing to be wise, they became fools,..." End of Quote

   This First Century author, tells his readers that the people he is writing about (who will be born in the future)will become FOOLS IN THEIR THINKING!

   "....they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened..."

  Professing to be wise, they became fools,..."

   Does this verse foreshadow the emergence of modern evolutionary science?

   SCIENCE is a recent(in Man's history) attempt to find out what is true in our world by using methods that provide direct evidence for what is concluded by careful research (it is a seeking to be WISE).

   The author of Hebrews wrote in the First Century about a time that would come when men would, ...profess[ing] to be wise, they became fools,...

   Did the historical documents under examination also foresee the evolutionary false premise within the evolution idea over 2000 years ago?

 -2 Pet 3:3-7 - " Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?  For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation." --

   For when they maintain THIS, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

   But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men."

   The historical documents under examination not only claim that modern evolutionary scientists cannot examine the processes that brought the universe into being,  the author denies that the earth we are born onto today holds the original earthscape.

   It challenges the false idea that the "...present is the key to the past" claiming that the original earthscape is NOT accessible to the methodology of science because the world-wide flood of history changed its original formation.

Logic and Science

   There is no faulty logic used by the author of 2 Peter 3:3-7 - (New Testament Book)   His written words, foreshadow the arrival in the world of the deluding idea (that would appear 1800 years later) that "The present is the key to the past."

   The belief that, The present is Key to the past, is outside the methodology of science (along with not being sound reasoning).

   The statement has nothing to do with science. The statement has no support within the methodology of science (it cannot be proven within science to be true).   It is without logic.   It should not have been printed in documents of science effort or taught countless times within science classes and science publications.

   James Hutton (1726-1797) and Charles Lyell who followed Hutton's non-reasoning position of, "principle of uniformity" went outside the foundations of science and jumped out into an imaginary space with an idea about the world that had nothing to do with science or reason.

   Within Logic - the science of correct reasoning - the idea is equal to teaching that at the beginning of the earth it was carried on the back of a turtle floating in a cosmic sea.

   The idea has no authority within reason. It is not based on reason and when considering the limited tools of science to this world, it is so far removed from the methodology and jurisdiction of science it can reasonably be placed into the category of delusion.

  Delusion: "A deluding, a false belief or opinion.

Man Is Mortal

  Only God Who stands outside Time and Space could make a statement such as, 'The Present Is The Key To The Past,'  IF it were true .

   No human being, who is locked inside Time and Space has any reason or authority to make it.

There Is No Such Illogic in The Biblical Documents.

   The author of 2 Peter wrote, correctly, that it is not possible that the present is the key to the past.

  There is nothing irrational or spoken with faulty logic regarding origins in the documents under examination.

   Long before the idea of evolution arose within the world with its imagined idea that "The present is the key to the past," these historical documents spoke forth consistently within a rational perspective.

The Bible Documents Never Place Man On God's Throne(Flawless Logic).

   The Logical Conclusions To The Search - For Intellectual Honesty within science is to respect the limitations of the science methodology and admit to all its students that the jurisdiction of science cannot include the ability to deny that God is there.

   When Seeking Out a Consistent Rationality in Religion - it is a rational and historical position to refresh the biblical witness to its asserted right to its historical authority regarding Origins.

  The early documents under examination provide a rational perspective regarding origins and meets the intellectual honesty and rational consistency required in the present Origins discussion.

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